Friday, February 03, 2006

Choose Your Battles

This blog by Boortz was brought to my attention by Grouchy Old Cripple and I think it summarizes nicely my thoughts on the Muslim communities over the top response to this issue. Does the phrase, "Choose your battles wisely" mean anything to them?

12 comments:

Cynthia said...

Wow! That post is so over-the-top it is unbelievable. People are forced to protect themselves and they are lied upon, manipulated, and killed, yet they don't have a right to protect themselves.

I guess this is the benevolence and compassion of the West shining through. I have a right to everything and you better like it. This is simply unbelievable!!!

Bullfrog said...

Respectfully, I am not sure where you are coming from on this; Are you saying the reaction the Muslim commnunity is having is reasonable?

Cynthia said...

Yes! Everything is relative...

Bullfrog said...

I am not saying the Muslim community shouldn't be offended, but to respond with violence only reinforces the premise of the cartoon that they are offended by.

Would it not be better to respond peacefully to the issue to give the world a better example of how they want to be seen by the world community?

Why don't peaceful Muslims react this way when terrorist Muslims commit horrible acts against innocents giving the "Religion of Peace" a very violent face in the eyes of everyone?

Cynthia said...

Why do you think peaceful Americans or Christians don't protest against the atrocities committed by Israel against Palestinians or when the U.S. forcefully removed Saddam after they were through using him?

This is a clear example of white privilege. The West can abuse you, and you are not supposed to react. The very fiber of their beings is wrapped up into Islam and it is being violently attacked by the West. This is an unreasonable act that causes for unreasonable behavior. This is one of the reason why I say truth and evil is relative. It is constructed by those in charge. If those in charge do something to you, then they will frame your response in a way that it is offensive to them and then you become evil or wrong. This is a classic example of white entitlement.

Bullfrog said...

Grey Ghost made some good points concerning this issue at his site

Bullfrog said...

None of what you have said so far proves that the actions of the radical Muslims was justified.

It is amazing how you manage to make every issue racial. This is a Danish newspaper offending a religious community.

Cynthia said...

Bullfrog: it is still a racial issue. We are not going to see eye to eye on this one.

Dell Gines said...

Cynthia, you take a very dangerous position for black folk.

If everything is relative, then the historical subjugation, explotation, manipulation, culture rape, etc. done to us by white folks is also relative, contextual, and NOT immoral from a relativistic stand point.

You are creating for yourself a moral dilemma by which nothing can be construed as right or wrong, and the only basis for morality is will and the power to execute that will by a collective force.

That is the premise you have set up, by the line of your reasoning. If this is then the case, then there is no leg to stand upon when complaining about Muslim oppression, White oppression, Western oppression, because within the construct you created you are passively accepting based upon it that the powerful collective has the right to impose its will on the powerless collective or the individual against the will of the powerless collective or the individual. If everything is relative, then relatively speaking what whites did to us in slavery was not wrong. Why? Because they collectively had the power to do it.


In terms of the initial post, Bullfrog, this behavior is not simpl y about a cartoon, it is about other issues that were bubbling and needed that needed a vehicle to drive them to the service.

We are seeing now the inherent culture clash between totalitarian oriented faith, and western 'freedom' if you want to call it that.

These are two contradictory ideologies, and when you combine that with the fact that many of these individuals have no relative power in their own nation, the drawn to totalitarian faith becomes that much stronger as it attaches them to a psychological power base. When this is confronted you are attacking there sense of self and sense of power, so the response is actually quit logical.

Bullfrog said...

@Dell: Thanks for your post, I couldn't have said it better. My concern about this issue stems from the fact that the Muslim reaction was so unethical, albeit a perfectly logical one; not to mention the damage to the world community's perception of their religion. Maybe no one is shocked that Muslims are radical due to their historical track record, I just wish the non-radicals would have spoken up earlier. They are NOW calling for calm, after so much damage has been done.

Cynthia said...

Dell: It is relative to white people. If they truly thought those things were immoral, we would have been made whole. From a black perspective, of course, those things are immoral, this is what King, and others were fighting for. If white people really think those things were immoral, discrimination, racism, or any other type of ism, wouldn't exist. Treating us in a moral and just way is against the benefit of the larger society, therefore, it is evil to support anything that will put blacks on a level playing field. My thoughts are not dangerous, I'm just saying what I observe is happening in this society. When it comes to this society, they have different standards for different people. This in my opinion is immoral, but I’m not part of those who is driving this society.

The moral values again are shaped by society and the larger society has said blacks shouldn't be made whole and so it is. When a critical mass of white people think we have been treated immorally, then things will change, i.e., the morality of this society will shift.

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